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		<title>By: lea bedroom furniture</title>
		<link>http://blog.rv.net/2009/11/rv-service-a-view-from-the-other-side/comment-page-1/#comment-107363</link>
		<dc:creator>lea bedroom furniture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 May 2011 11:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://blog.rv.net/2009/11/rv-service-a-view-from-the-other-side/comment-page-1/#comment-88219</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love the comments, makes you feel like your not alone in the RV world. When I took my RVin the First year with a lot of bugs and problems, The list had a picture of each one thing that I wanted to get fixed. I made an 8x10 pic. for each problem that I could and wrote on the back what was going on or what was broken. I gave it to the dealer and went thru it with him, Got most fixed and what they didnt fix was noted. That way I could see what was fixed and who fixed it at the dealer. I ended up going to the Factory and leaving it for all the rest. They loved the pic. also. they fixed everything.  Take a pic and show them it works for me.  bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the comments, makes you feel like your not alone in the RV world. When I took my RVin the First year with a lot of bugs and problems, The list had a picture of each one thing that I wanted to get fixed. I made an 8&#215;10 pic. for each problem that I could and wrote on the back what was going on or what was broken. I gave it to the dealer and went thru it with him, Got most fixed and what they didnt fix was noted. That way I could see what was fixed and who fixed it at the dealer. I ended up going to the Factory and leaving it for all the rest. They loved the pic. also. they fixed everything.  Take a pic and show them it works for me.  bob</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Albright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Albright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter the problem the tech didn&#039;t check the horn and system  completely,He tried to blow it and it blew typical tech. You are forgetting one thing here SERVICE/REPAIR.I can tell you are one of the whining service shops. You do it and except pay for it. I pay and expect the job to be preformed completely and  being the customer I expect it to be like Burger King if not BYE my money will spend some where else.Oh by the way I am a retired 22 year service manager and my customers were always right.Wake up there&#039;s a real world out here far different than the cumbaha one you want..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter the problem the tech didn&#8217;t check the horn and system  completely,He tried to blow it and it blew typical tech. You are forgetting one thing here SERVICE/REPAIR.I can tell you are one of the whining service shops. You do it and except pay for it. I pay and expect the job to be preformed completely and  being the customer I expect it to be like Burger King if not BYE my money will spend some where else.Oh by the way I am a retired 22 year service manager and my customers were always right.Wake up there&#8217;s a real world out here far different than the cumbaha one you want..</p>
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		<title>By: Holt</title>
		<link>http://blog.rv.net/2009/11/rv-service-a-view-from-the-other-side/comment-page-1/#comment-88067</link>
		<dc:creator>Holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 19:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good advice. Glad to hear it from the other POV. 

As an RV owner, former customer service rep, and former repair-shop operator, I&#039;ve been fortunate enough to see all the sides of these issues (albeit from a different industry). And, although the info was good, the frustration of the author was evident in the writing. It seemed angry and bitter. (&quot;Cut them some slack&quot;, indeed.)

The stories and concerns were a helpful beginning, but were only half of what is really needed. The last line is a good lead-in to a follow-up post on how to get the most from your repair center. Could you (maybe with the help of comment poster G.E. Maynor) offer specific tips and suggestions (in detail) on how to better communicate, how to speed up the process, and how to work within the service center&#039;s parameters to make the experience more enjoyable and more efficient?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice. Glad to hear it from the other POV. </p>
<p>As an RV owner, former customer service rep, and former repair-shop operator, I&#8217;ve been fortunate enough to see all the sides of these issues (albeit from a different industry). And, although the info was good, the frustration of the author was evident in the writing. It seemed angry and bitter. (&#8221;Cut them some slack&#8221;, indeed.)</p>
<p>The stories and concerns were a helpful beginning, but were only half of what is really needed. The last line is a good lead-in to a follow-up post on how to get the most from your repair center. Could you (maybe with the help of comment poster G.E. Maynor) offer specific tips and suggestions (in detail) on how to better communicate, how to speed up the process, and how to work within the service center&#8217;s parameters to make the experience more enjoyable and more efficient?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 01:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>During a yearly jamboree sponsered by the RV dealer to all whom purchased RV&#039;s via his dealership, we listened to the Master Mechanic on tips to getting things fixed, both faster as well as completely and the tip was: Put a stickey note on everything that needs service and on that note indicated everything about that item that you have experienced. He felt their would be no way the service Dept. would miss anything by following that recommendation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>During a yearly jamboree sponsered by the RV dealer to all whom purchased RV&#8217;s via his dealership, we listened to the Master Mechanic on tips to getting things fixed, both faster as well as completely and the tip was: Put a stickey note on everything that needs service and on that note indicated everything about that item that you have experienced. He felt their would be no way the service Dept. would miss anything by following that recommendation.</p>
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		<title>By: Lug_Nut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lug_Nut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stripes,  I totally agree with you, this is not confined only to the RV industry.  Thank you for your participation on this topic and for your input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stripes,  I totally agree with you, this is not confined only to the RV industry.  Thank you for your participation on this topic and for your input.</p>
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		<title>By: Stripes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stripes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work in software, and we also have a lot of cases where the customer doesn&#039;t describe the whole problem, so we think it is user error.    However we (the place I work, not software in general) tend to handle it differently.   We send it back with &quot;can not reproduce&quot; and the bug isn&#039;t closed until the user can either tell us how they get the flaw to occur, or they are convinced that it wasn&#039;t a problem (or it &quot;works ok now&quot;).   (well, it can also be closed if they sit on the bug for a very very long time).

In other words your mechanic said &quot;works for me&quot; and dropped the problem on the floor rather then telling the customer &quot;we fixed X, Y, and Z, but the horn was ok all along&quot;.   Sure that message might get &quot;lost in the noise&quot;, but many will get through.   Sure sometimes the forever-unsatisfyed will rear their ugly head and yell &quot;how can you not see it is broken!&quot;, but I bet a more then a few of the &quot;it broke on the road, now I&#039;m Mr. Ugly!&quot; will be perfectly calm and explain it is intermittent, or only breaks when it is raining, or whatever he forgot the first time.

(and yeah, I&#039;m totally guilty of forgetting to explain everything to my mechanic, but I&#039;m above the rest of the antics you describe...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in software, and we also have a lot of cases where the customer doesn&#8217;t describe the whole problem, so we think it is user error.    However we (the place I work, not software in general) tend to handle it differently.   We send it back with &#8220;can not reproduce&#8221; and the bug isn&#8217;t closed until the user can either tell us how they get the flaw to occur, or they are convinced that it wasn&#8217;t a problem (or it &#8220;works ok now&#8221;).   (well, it can also be closed if they sit on the bug for a very very long time).</p>
<p>In other words your mechanic said &#8220;works for me&#8221; and dropped the problem on the floor rather then telling the customer &#8220;we fixed X, Y, and Z, but the horn was ok all along&#8221;.   Sure that message might get &#8220;lost in the noise&#8221;, but many will get through.   Sure sometimes the forever-unsatisfyed will rear their ugly head and yell &#8220;how can you not see it is broken!&#8221;, but I bet a more then a few of the &#8220;it broke on the road, now I&#8217;m Mr. Ugly!&#8221; will be perfectly calm and explain it is intermittent, or only breaks when it is raining, or whatever he forgot the first time.</p>
<p>(and yeah, I&#8217;m totally guilty of forgetting to explain everything to my mechanic, but I&#8217;m above the rest of the antics you describe&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: Lug_Nut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lug_Nut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 16:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Paschen, Thank you for sharing your professional experience with us.  I&#039;m sure you are more aware of this including the lens incident.  I think RV owners should understand the dealer&#039;s position in some of these circumstances.  Great input, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al Paschen, Thank you for sharing your professional experience with us.  I&#8217;m sure you are more aware of this including the lens incident.  I think RV owners should understand the dealer&#8217;s position in some of these circumstances.  Great input, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Paschen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Paschen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 04:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josepeh makes two very good points.  As a dealer, we spend a lot of time diagnosing real or imagined warranty problems.  Often it is &quot;please check such and such to see if there is something wrong&quot;.  If there is something wrong, it results in warranty work.  If it turns out that there is nothing wrong, or it just requires an adjustment, the dealer eats the time.  No manufacturer will pay for that and the customer certainly doesn&#039;t expect to pay.  It&#039;s just part of what the selling dealer is expected to do, and rightly so.  Minor repairs often get done and, as Josepeh points out, it just doesn&#039;t make sense to spend the effort to recover 10 or 20 dollars from the manufacturer.

I have personal knowledge of the hazy lens incident that I believe is the source of your original hazed lens scenario.  I can add details that make it a little less puzzling, but no less disturbing.  A fact left out of the story is that the lens in question was an uncommon one that had to be ordered from the manufacturer, resulting in a ridiculous shipping charge.  On top of that, the defective lens had to be shipped back to the manufacturer so they could return it to their supplier (so the original supplier can correct the problem in future lens they make, so the argument goes.)  The overall cost of the foggy lens problem is escalating!  Out-of-pocket cost to the dealer for packaging and shipping is now many times the actual cost of the lens. Not to mention the labor cost of diagnosing, installing, ordering, receiving, packaging and re-shipping.  The $3.50 is a minor part of the cost.  As pointed out, the whole thing defies logic.  But, any way you look at it, this little episode costs the dealer money.  It makes sense to do it for your own customer but not for the customer of some other, distant dealer.

Much of this would go away if it were possible for dealers to stock every &quot;common part&quot;. We try, but don&#039;t even come close.   Every manufacturer uses a different light fixture, different ones on different models, and then change from year to year.

In a perfect world, the man with the foggy lens would have removed it himself, stopped in at the dealership on his way to the grocery store and swapped it for a new lens, at no cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josepeh makes two very good points.  As a dealer, we spend a lot of time diagnosing real or imagined warranty problems.  Often it is &#8220;please check such and such to see if there is something wrong&#8221;.  If there is something wrong, it results in warranty work.  If it turns out that there is nothing wrong, or it just requires an adjustment, the dealer eats the time.  No manufacturer will pay for that and the customer certainly doesn&#8217;t expect to pay.  It&#8217;s just part of what the selling dealer is expected to do, and rightly so.  Minor repairs often get done and, as Josepeh points out, it just doesn&#8217;t make sense to spend the effort to recover 10 or 20 dollars from the manufacturer.</p>
<p>I have personal knowledge of the hazy lens incident that I believe is the source of your original hazed lens scenario.  I can add details that make it a little less puzzling, but no less disturbing.  A fact left out of the story is that the lens in question was an uncommon one that had to be ordered from the manufacturer, resulting in a ridiculous shipping charge.  On top of that, the defective lens had to be shipped back to the manufacturer so they could return it to their supplier (so the original supplier can correct the problem in future lens they make, so the argument goes.)  The overall cost of the foggy lens problem is escalating!  Out-of-pocket cost to the dealer for packaging and shipping is now many times the actual cost of the lens. Not to mention the labor cost of diagnosing, installing, ordering, receiving, packaging and re-shipping.  The $3.50 is a minor part of the cost.  As pointed out, the whole thing defies logic.  But, any way you look at it, this little episode costs the dealer money.  It makes sense to do it for your own customer but not for the customer of some other, distant dealer.</p>
<p>Much of this would go away if it were possible for dealers to stock every &#8220;common part&#8221;. We try, but don&#8217;t even come close.   Every manufacturer uses a different light fixture, different ones on different models, and then change from year to year.</p>
<p>In a perfect world, the man with the foggy lens would have removed it himself, stopped in at the dealership on his way to the grocery store and swapped it for a new lens, at no cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Lug_Nut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lug_Nut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 20:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joespeh, I fully agree with you and actually do that myself.  My last coach had the air horn valve seize up very early in its life.  It was still under warranty, but upon looking at the valve and seeing it was an OEM plastic unit, I replaced it with an industrial grade aluminum and never looked back.  The valve cost me about $50 or so and I was pleased to have something that would last forever.  
Thank you for pointing this out and for your very good input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joespeh, I fully agree with you and actually do that myself.  My last coach had the air horn valve seize up very early in its life.  It was still under warranty, but upon looking at the valve and seeing it was an OEM plastic unit, I replaced it with an industrial grade aluminum and never looked back.  The valve cost me about $50 or so and I was pleased to have something that would last forever.<br />
Thank you for pointing this out and for your very good input.</p>
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