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		<title>By: Sean Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Lady, your husband was right! Check out my latest post for the latest details...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Lady, your husband was right! Check out my latest post for the latest details&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Okay, Tire Experts: Were You Right?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Okay, Tire Experts: Were You Right?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 04:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a recent RV.net blog post (Okay, Tire Experts: What&#8217;s Wrong With Our Tire?) we discussed our mysterious tire wear. One of our tires has been rapidly wearing out on the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Lady Quapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lady Quapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 22:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband is a RV tech and he said it is your axles.  Get them checked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband is a RV tech and he said it is your axles.  Get them checked.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Michael</title>
		<link>http://blog.rv.net/2008/08/okay-tire-experts-whats-wrong-with-our-tire/comment-page-1/#comment-44682</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a brief update, everyone.

We are presently in Colorado. We have a brand new spare tire on the problem axle. By the way, Airstreams use a torsion axle instead of a spring loaded axle. (I don&#039;t claim to be any kind of axle expert, but am just relaying what I&#039;ve learned.)

Yes, we are back to thinking that the axle is bent. We spoke with Airstream, Inc. and they recommended a couple of shops that are well equipped to handle the repair job. One is in Montana; the other is in Arizona. It looks like we&#039;ll be going the Arizona route, since that will suit our upcoming California travel plans.

So after exploring Colorado for a few days, we&#039;re headed south. I will let you know what happens when we reach the axle repair shop. Thanks to everyone for your helpful comments!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a brief update, everyone.</p>
<p>We are presently in Colorado. We have a brand new spare tire on the problem axle. By the way, Airstreams use a torsion axle instead of a spring loaded axle. (I don&#8217;t claim to be any kind of axle expert, but am just relaying what I&#8217;ve learned.)</p>
<p>Yes, we are back to thinking that the axle is bent. We spoke with Airstream, Inc. and they recommended a couple of shops that are well equipped to handle the repair job. One is in Montana; the other is in Arizona. It looks like we&#8217;ll be going the Arizona route, since that will suit our upcoming California travel plans.</p>
<p>So after exploring Colorado for a few days, we&#8217;re headed south. I will let you know what happens when we reach the axle repair shop. Thanks to everyone for your helpful comments!</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Marble</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roger Marble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 03:08:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean
If you are still having a problem getting the wheel alignement measured on the trailer there is a way to get an approximation with just 4 jackstands, some string and a tape measure for Toe and Tracking and with a digital level like this you can check the camber.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00948295000P?vName=Tools&amp;cName=Hand+Tools%2C+Carpentry&amp;sName=Levels+%26+Protractors

 Overall not as accurate as the laser in the store but a lot cheaper. I have used this on my race car and with some practice got real good results.

Park the TT on a hard surface that is as level as you can find. Set 4 jackstands, one at each corner of the TT. I used jack stands because I had them and they were heavy enough to not fall over when i pulled the string tight.
Run a string on each side from front to rear jackstand.
The string needs to be about as far above the ground as the center of the axle stub cover is.
Adjust the stands untill the distance between the front 2 stands is the same as the distance between the rear 2. 
Confirm that the distance from the center of axle cover (bearing cup) to the string is equal for all 4 wheels.
To get all these points parallel will take some time and practice.
Ideally you should be parallel to +/- 1/32 inch or better but you may need to settle for 1/16&quot;

Now with the tape measure measure the distance from the front of the wheel flange (the flat about 3/8&quot; inside to Outter most point of the wheel) to the string. Then measure from the same point on the wheel at the rear of the same  wheel to the string.
repeat for all 4 wheels.
Don&#039;t knock over the stands or trip on the string or you get to start over LOL

If all 8 measurements are the same (to the 64th inch) then you have parallel axles and no toe-in or toe-out which is about what you would want. There may be some slight toe-in (string to wheel measurement is 1/64&quot; greater at the front of each wheel than at the rear of each wheel)  but you would want to check the specs with the TT manufacturer.

Now to check Camber.
Ideally you would have a straight piece of wood that will fit top to bottom of the side of the wheel and only touch the flat part of the flange just inside where the tire contacts the wheel. ( I can send a picture if you are interested)
Place the digital level on the flat and you should get a reading at 0° +/- 1°  or less.

Once you get all your measurements I think the root cause of your alignment problem will become obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean<br />
If you are still having a problem getting the wheel alignement measured on the trailer there is a way to get an approximation with just 4 jackstands, some string and a tape measure for Toe and Tracking and with a digital level like this you can check the camber.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00948295000P?vName=Tools&amp;cName=Hand+Tools%2C+Carpentry&amp;sName=Levels+%26+Protractors" rel="nofollow">http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00948295000P?vName=Tools&amp;cName=Hand+Tools%2C+Carpentry&amp;sName=Levels+%26+Protractors</a></p>
<p> Overall not as accurate as the laser in the store but a lot cheaper. I have used this on my race car and with some practice got real good results.</p>
<p>Park the TT on a hard surface that is as level as you can find. Set 4 jackstands, one at each corner of the TT. I used jack stands because I had them and they were heavy enough to not fall over when i pulled the string tight.<br />
Run a string on each side from front to rear jackstand.<br />
The string needs to be about as far above the ground as the center of the axle stub cover is.<br />
Adjust the stands untill the distance between the front 2 stands is the same as the distance between the rear 2.<br />
Confirm that the distance from the center of axle cover (bearing cup) to the string is equal for all 4 wheels.<br />
To get all these points parallel will take some time and practice.<br />
Ideally you should be parallel to +/- 1/32 inch or better but you may need to settle for 1/16&#8243;</p>
<p>Now with the tape measure measure the distance from the front of the wheel flange (the flat about 3/8&#8243; inside to Outter most point of the wheel) to the string. Then measure from the same point on the wheel at the rear of the same  wheel to the string.<br />
repeat for all 4 wheels.<br />
Don&#8217;t knock over the stands or trip on the string or you get to start over LOL</p>
<p>If all 8 measurements are the same (to the 64th inch) then you have parallel axles and no toe-in or toe-out which is about what you would want. There may be some slight toe-in (string to wheel measurement is 1/64&#8243; greater at the front of each wheel than at the rear of each wheel)  but you would want to check the specs with the TT manufacturer.</p>
<p>Now to check Camber.<br />
Ideally you would have a straight piece of wood that will fit top to bottom of the side of the wheel and only touch the flat part of the flange just inside where the tire contacts the wheel. ( I can send a picture if you are interested)<br />
Place the digital level on the flat and you should get a reading at 0° +/- 1°  or less.</p>
<p>Once you get all your measurements I think the root cause of your alignment problem will become obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Hauck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Hauck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot say what the problem is unless I am there in person to look at the situation first hand. I just wanted to remind people about new tires. There was a national news broadcat last week, dont remember which NBC&lt; CBS&lt; ABC, which looked into new tire sales. Even though the tire was never used they had found several tires, Wallmart, Sears, etc that was 7 to 12 years old being sold as new.The newsman said to look on the tire, there will be a circle with numbers in it. IE 3298, this means the tire was manufactured the 32 week in the year 1998. I am not saying this is your problem but you may want to take a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot say what the problem is unless I am there in person to look at the situation first hand. I just wanted to remind people about new tires. There was a national news broadcat last week, dont remember which NBC&lt; CBS&lt; ABC, which looked into new tire sales. Even though the tire was never used they had found several tires, Wallmart, Sears, etc that was 7 to 12 years old being sold as new.The newsman said to look on the tire, there will be a circle with numbers in it. IE 3298, this means the tire was manufactured the 32 week in the year 1998. I am not saying this is your problem but you may want to take a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Roth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Roth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, hubby is still convinced you should check the spring on that side of the trailer.  If you look under and see anything resembling a crack, that spring is broken and should be replaced.  I thought that when Airstream looked at the axel that they would automatically check the springs too, but you know what they say about assuming! :-)  

We would never put truck tires on our trailer.  Trailer tires are made specifically to handle constant loads that a truck tire just isn&#039;t made to handle.  Roger was right on the mark saying you should be using ST rated tires.  Why mess around with what is essentially your home for however long you&#039;re traveling?  

Another point to consider when talking about tires - many tire shops do not carry ST rated tires - they need to be special ordered.  The only exception we&#039;ve found to date is with a Goodyear store.  We stopped at one of those &#039;we sell every brand&#039; tire stores (which we have no argument with, by the way, hubby used to work in one for about 10 years!), and hubby asked if they carried our size ST rated tire and did they have the capability to install it directly onto the trailer.  They said they had to order it and would have it in by XX date and yes, they could install it.   On XX date we called and they said the tire was in, so we towed our 29&#039; trailer to their shop.  Hubby went in, they showed him the tire and it was NOT an ST rated tire but was a truck tire, which the manager said would work just fine on our trailer.  We said, no thanks and went on our way.  

A lot of it depends on what you&#039;re using your trailer for and what the weight is of that trailer (preferably on each wheel).  If you are a full-timer, don&#039;t mess with truck tires.  If you are a weekender with a TT, eh, maybe? But if you have a toy hauler - no way!

Good luck, Sean - keep us posted!  There are some very good tire shops in Albuquerque who might be able to give you a hand.

Lisa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, hubby is still convinced you should check the spring on that side of the trailer.  If you look under and see anything resembling a crack, that spring is broken and should be replaced.  I thought that when Airstream looked at the axel that they would automatically check the springs too, but you know what they say about assuming! <img src='http://blog.rv.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>We would never put truck tires on our trailer.  Trailer tires are made specifically to handle constant loads that a truck tire just isn&#8217;t made to handle.  Roger was right on the mark saying you should be using ST rated tires.  Why mess around with what is essentially your home for however long you&#8217;re traveling?  </p>
<p>Another point to consider when talking about tires &#8211; many tire shops do not carry ST rated tires &#8211; they need to be special ordered.  The only exception we&#8217;ve found to date is with a Goodyear store.  We stopped at one of those &#8216;we sell every brand&#8217; tire stores (which we have no argument with, by the way, hubby used to work in one for about 10 years!), and hubby asked if they carried our size ST rated tire and did they have the capability to install it directly onto the trailer.  They said they had to order it and would have it in by XX date and yes, they could install it.   On XX date we called and they said the tire was in, so we towed our 29&#8242; trailer to their shop.  Hubby went in, they showed him the tire and it was NOT an ST rated tire but was a truck tire, which the manager said would work just fine on our trailer.  We said, no thanks and went on our way.  </p>
<p>A lot of it depends on what you&#8217;re using your trailer for and what the weight is of that trailer (preferably on each wheel).  If you are a full-timer, don&#8217;t mess with truck tires.  If you are a weekender with a TT, eh, maybe? But if you have a toy hauler &#8211; no way!</p>
<p>Good luck, Sean &#8211; keep us posted!  There are some very good tire shops in Albuquerque who might be able to give you a hand.</p>
<p>Lisa</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sean, have you taken a medium size level and put it on the tire to see if there is any difference from the others? I just have a hard time thinking the axle would be having trouble. Maybe replacing the bearings, races and hub will fix it. It sure would be worth a shot. If you haven&#039;t checked the tire horizontally wtih a level, that might be a place to start. The races could have come out of place and the tire will still be firm and not wiggle but the ride position will be incorrect. Airstream should be able to replace a hub put the new bearings and races in. Might ask them to inspect the spindle while they have the hub off. With what we know about the curb incident I think this could be the problem. 
Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean, have you taken a medium size level and put it on the tire to see if there is any difference from the others? I just have a hard time thinking the axle would be having trouble. Maybe replacing the bearings, races and hub will fix it. It sure would be worth a shot. If you haven&#8217;t checked the tire horizontally wtih a level, that might be a place to start. The races could have come out of place and the tire will still be firm and not wiggle but the ride position will be incorrect. Airstream should be able to replace a hub put the new bearings and races in. Might ask them to inspect the spindle while they have the hub off. With what we know about the curb incident I think this could be the problem.<br />
Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Rangerdave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rangerdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Aug 2008 21:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i sold and changed tires for way too long know what that is. it looks like at some given time your trailer was jacked up by a jack on the axle, (i have seen this way too many times). if this is done, usually your axle will get bent during that process. that will lead to some very wierd tire wear that will leave the best chasing the wind.

RD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i sold and changed tires for way too long know what that is. it looks like at some given time your trailer was jacked up by a jack on the axle, (i have seen this way too many times). if this is done, usually your axle will get bent during that process. that will lead to some very wierd tire wear that will leave the best chasing the wind.</p>
<p>RD</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger, thanks for sharing your expertise. With regard to the wheel being mounted at an angle, I am only relaying what we were told. The axle was examined and appeared to be true. But I have (unfortunate) news on that front...

We are presently in Santa Fe, New Mexico -- after towing our Airstream several hundred miles across Arkansas and Oklahoma. After examining the newly mounted tire, I&#039;m sorry to report that it appears to be wearing in a similar pattern. In other words, you are correct -- even with a properly mounted wheel, the tire appears to be wearing similarly, so we are back to thinking it&#039;s the axle.

Our next step? We&#039;ll try to find someone here in New Mexico with experience in trailer axles. :\

Thanks, everyone. Stay tuned!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, thanks for sharing your expertise. With regard to the wheel being mounted at an angle, I am only relaying what we were told. The axle was examined and appeared to be true. But I have (unfortunate) news on that front&#8230;</p>
<p>We are presently in Santa Fe, New Mexico &#8212; after towing our Airstream several hundred miles across Arkansas and Oklahoma. After examining the newly mounted tire, I&#8217;m sorry to report that it appears to be wearing in a similar pattern. In other words, you are correct &#8212; even with a properly mounted wheel, the tire appears to be wearing similarly, so we are back to thinking it&#8217;s the axle.</p>
<p>Our next step? We&#8217;ll try to find someone here in New Mexico with experience in trailer axles. :\</p>
<p>Thanks, everyone. Stay tuned!</p>
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