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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
		<link>http://blog.rv.net/2008/07/more-fuel-saving-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-31383</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was watching Myth Busters the other day and they did a segment on pickup trucks and fuel mileage.  The most interesting part which they just glanced over was that at 55 MPH the fuel gauge read 5.2 gallons per hour.  At 25 MPH it read 1.2.  Now I knew it would be less but, I didn&#039;t think it would be that much of a difference.  Just goes to show that if you slow down the savings are huge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching Myth Busters the other day and they did a segment on pickup trucks and fuel mileage.  The most interesting part which they just glanced over was that at 55 MPH the fuel gauge read 5.2 gallons per hour.  At 25 MPH it read 1.2.  Now I knew it would be less but, I didn&#8217;t think it would be that much of a difference.  Just goes to show that if you slow down the savings are huge.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Henderson</title>
		<link>http://blog.rv.net/2008/07/more-fuel-saving-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-31224</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello everyone! Thank you for your comments. I am still on the road, but I am going to comment/answer questions in the order in which they appear. Chip: Glad to hear that employing some of the very tips I&#039;ve recommended on this blog have netted both fuel economy and performance improvements for you. You get my vote for &quot;most fuel efficient tow vehicle and trailer&quot;! You are proof that it is possible to have the best of both worlds. Lynn: Sorry to hear about your troubles contacting Turboshield. We are actually in the process of talking to the company about carrying the product, in which case it can be sold on an individual basis. Contact Michael Garton at Henderson&#039;s Line-Up for more info (michael@hendersonslineup.com). Rick: If you (or anyone else that reads this) are going to purchase Airtabs, make sure to call them at 877 604 2105 and give them this coupon code: HEND3. It will get you a 5% discount on your purchase, but you must order by phone. Also, you should know that the Turboshield is retractable for use in town to prevent the kind of mishaps you&#039;ve mentioned. We&#039;re also talking to them about the possibility of adding a proximity sensor or something along those lines that would automatically retract the shield when it is about to come in contact with something. We&#039;ll see how that goes. Larry: We don&#039;t know of any airshock that will fit your P30 chassis, and even if we did, we wouldn&#039;t recommend it. The shock mounts are not strong enough to support the weight of the vehicle. A much better solution would be to install new springs and shock absorbers. SuperSteer offers springs designed specifically to carry the weight of your coach. We would recommend these new coils as well as a set of Koni FSD shock absorbers. Coil spacers are not a good idea because we&#039;ve seen them break before. Also, a spacer reduces the travel of the spring and can cause coil bind, where the spring coils actually contact one another over a bump. This situation can cause serious damage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everyone! Thank you for your comments. I am still on the road, but I am going to comment/answer questions in the order in which they appear. Chip: Glad to hear that employing some of the very tips I&#8217;ve recommended on this blog have netted both fuel economy and performance improvements for you. You get my vote for &#8220;most fuel efficient tow vehicle and trailer&#8221;! You are proof that it is possible to have the best of both worlds. Lynn: Sorry to hear about your troubles contacting Turboshield. We are actually in the process of talking to the company about carrying the product, in which case it can be sold on an individual basis. Contact Michael Garton at Henderson&#8217;s Line-Up for more info (michael@hendersonslineup.com). Rick: If you (or anyone else that reads this) are going to purchase Airtabs, make sure to call them at 877 604 2105 and give them this coupon code: HEND3. It will get you a 5% discount on your purchase, but you must order by phone. Also, you should know that the Turboshield is retractable for use in town to prevent the kind of mishaps you&#8217;ve mentioned. We&#8217;re also talking to them about the possibility of adding a proximity sensor or something along those lines that would automatically retract the shield when it is about to come in contact with something. We&#8217;ll see how that goes. Larry: We don&#8217;t know of any airshock that will fit your P30 chassis, and even if we did, we wouldn&#8217;t recommend it. The shock mounts are not strong enough to support the weight of the vehicle. A much better solution would be to install new springs and shock absorbers. SuperSteer offers springs designed specifically to carry the weight of your coach. We would recommend these new coils as well as a set of Koni FSD shock absorbers. Coil spacers are not a good idea because we&#8217;ve seen them break before. Also, a spacer reduces the travel of the spring and can cause coil bind, where the spring coils actually contact one another over a bump. This situation can cause serious damage.</p>
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		<title>By: LARRY DAMBA</title>
		<link>http://blog.rv.net/2008/07/more-fuel-saving-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-30959</link>
		<dc:creator>LARRY DAMBA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 04:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I HAVE A QUESTION ON SUSPENSION. I HAVE A 1993 WINNEBAGO VECTRA RIDING ON A P 30 WORKHORSE CHASSI. THE COACH IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION, BUT I&#039;VE NOTICED THE FRONT COIL SPRINGS HAVE WEAKENED TO THE POINT THAT I&#039;M RIDING ON THE RUBBER STOPS. WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HAVE AIR SHOCKS INSTALLED OR NEW SPRINGS AND STANDARD SHOCKS? WOULD THE AIR SHOCKS RAISE THE FRONT END ENOUGH TO GET OFF THE STOPS? I&#039;VE ALREDY TRIED AIRBAGS INSIDE THE SPRINGS AND THEY HELPED MINIMALY. SOMEONE  SUGGESTED SPACERS BETWEEN THE COILS  ON THE SPRING. I WOULD LOVE TO TRY THIS BUT CAN&#039;T FIND THEM. TWO CENTS FOR YOUR THOUGHTS (INFLATION)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I HAVE A QUESTION ON SUSPENSION. I HAVE A 1993 WINNEBAGO VECTRA RIDING ON A P 30 WORKHORSE CHASSI. THE COACH IS IN EXCELLENT CONDITION, BUT I&#8217;VE NOTICED THE FRONT COIL SPRINGS HAVE WEAKENED TO THE POINT THAT I&#8217;M RIDING ON THE RUBBER STOPS. WOULD IT BE BETTER TO HAVE AIR SHOCKS INSTALLED OR NEW SPRINGS AND STANDARD SHOCKS? WOULD THE AIR SHOCKS RAISE THE FRONT END ENOUGH TO GET OFF THE STOPS? I&#8217;VE ALREDY TRIED AIRBAGS INSIDE THE SPRINGS AND THEY HELPED MINIMALY. SOMEONE  SUGGESTED SPACERS BETWEEN THE COILS  ON THE SPRING. I WOULD LOVE TO TRY THIS BUT CAN&#8217;T FIND THEM. TWO CENTS FOR YOUR THOUGHTS (INFLATION)</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://blog.rv.net/2008/07/more-fuel-saving-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-30939</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The air tabs look like a good idea. I think I will try them. The air dam, however looks like a piece of equipment just begging to be knocked off by the first big dip you take or a big pot hole. Too close to the road. I&#039;ve already bent up my rear mud flap thing hitting deep dips, I can only imagine how fast I wold take out an air dam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The air tabs look like a good idea. I think I will try them. The air dam, however looks like a piece of equipment just begging to be knocked off by the first big dip you take or a big pot hole. Too close to the road. I&#8217;ve already bent up my rear mud flap thing hitting deep dips, I can only imagine how fast I wold take out an air dam.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynn E. Holland</title>
		<link>http://blog.rv.net/2008/07/more-fuel-saving-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-30929</link>
		<dc:creator>Lynn E. Holland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good information, the vortex generator looks simple and makes sense.  Here is the reply I got from the torboshield people:  

From: questions@turboshield.com

To:&quot;Lynn Holland&quot;  
Subject:RE: DP benefits 
Date:Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:00:31 PM 
[View Source]


  Unfortunately we are not servicing the single sale aftermarket at this time. With all of the different vehicle designs, combined with the cost to ship a single unit, we are concentrated on volume orders designed for a specific vehicle. All volume units purchased are installed on in stock vehicles only. Sorry.

 

Thank you for inquiring about our product. 



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: DP benefits
From: &quot;Lynn Holland&quot; 
Date: Tue, July 15, 2008 1:34 pm
To: 


Hi, I have a 35&#039; 1998 Safari Sahara DP motorhome.  Are the benefits the same for a dp configuration?  The pictures you show all seem to be class A gas, front engine. 
 
Also, what is the cost?  
 
Thank you, Lynn E. Holland   

Any chance of talking with them and seeing if they will set up a distributorship to take individual orders?  Providing the cost is reasonable, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good information, the vortex generator looks simple and makes sense.  Here is the reply I got from the torboshield people:  </p>
<p>From: <a href="mailto:questions@turboshield.com">questions@turboshield.com</a></p>
<p>To:&#8221;Lynn Holland&#8221;<br />
Subject:RE: DP benefits<br />
Date:Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:00:31 PM<br />
[View Source]</p>
<p>  Unfortunately we are not servicing the single sale aftermarket at this time. With all of the different vehicle designs, combined with the cost to ship a single unit, we are concentrated on volume orders designed for a specific vehicle. All volume units purchased are installed on in stock vehicles only. Sorry.</p>
<p>Thank you for inquiring about our product. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8211; Original Message &#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Subject: DP benefits<br />
From: &#8220;Lynn Holland&#8221;<br />
Date: Tue, July 15, 2008 1:34 pm<br />
To: </p>
<p>Hi, I have a 35&#8242; 1998 Safari Sahara DP motorhome.  Are the benefits the same for a dp configuration?  The pictures you show all seem to be class A gas, front engine. </p>
<p>Also, what is the cost?  </p>
<p>Thank you, Lynn E. Holland   </p>
<p>Any chance of talking with them and seeing if they will set up a distributorship to take individual orders?  Providing the cost is reasonable, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Chip Martina</title>
		<link>http://blog.rv.net/2008/07/more-fuel-saving-ideas/comment-page-1/#comment-30917</link>
		<dc:creator>Chip Martina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 23:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tow an 06 Aliner LXE with a 2.4l, 4cyl Chevy Cobalt SS with an automatic transmission. To improve it&#039;s performance, and to increase it&#039;s fuel mileage (both towing and not), especially as a tow vehicle, I&#039;ve made some modifications. 

First, I added a cold air intake (to ease the flow of air into the engine), a equal length header and a full high-flow exhaust (to ease the waste gasses out). Next came the most important part, I sent my ECM and TCM (engine and transmission computers) off to Wester&#039;s Garage to have them &quot;tow tuned&quot; for the simple modifications I&#039;d just made. The result, not only has my 1/4 mile time dropped from 15.70 seconds to 15.35 seconds (at No Problem Raceway here in Louisiana) but my gas mileage is up as well (I averaged 37mpg driving home from the raceway that day.) On last year&#039;s vacation, towing my 1,700lb (loaded) Aliner PUP up some pretty steep grades through the Arkansas mountains, my rig averaged 22.7mpg.

Will I recover the $2,000 expenditure by the 10% estimated gas savings I&#039;m getting?  Probably not. Because my car was so fuel efficient to begin with, it would take about 150,000 miles to recover my costs. On a v8, I&#039;d recover my costs much sooner. However, I now have a better performing car that&#039;s a more suitable tow vehicle. The way I look at it, saving fuel is just a bonus. Plus I have the satisfaction of knowing that I&#039;m doing what I can to reduce my fuel usage (and hopefully the price of fuel) as much as possible, without it impacting my camping lifestyle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tow an 06 Aliner LXE with a 2.4l, 4cyl Chevy Cobalt SS with an automatic transmission. To improve it&#8217;s performance, and to increase it&#8217;s fuel mileage (both towing and not), especially as a tow vehicle, I&#8217;ve made some modifications. </p>
<p>First, I added a cold air intake (to ease the flow of air into the engine), a equal length header and a full high-flow exhaust (to ease the waste gasses out). Next came the most important part, I sent my ECM and TCM (engine and transmission computers) off to Wester&#8217;s Garage to have them &#8220;tow tuned&#8221; for the simple modifications I&#8217;d just made. The result, not only has my 1/4 mile time dropped from 15.70 seconds to 15.35 seconds (at No Problem Raceway here in Louisiana) but my gas mileage is up as well (I averaged 37mpg driving home from the raceway that day.) On last year&#8217;s vacation, towing my 1,700lb (loaded) Aliner PUP up some pretty steep grades through the Arkansas mountains, my rig averaged 22.7mpg.</p>
<p>Will I recover the $2,000 expenditure by the 10% estimated gas savings I&#8217;m getting?  Probably not. Because my car was so fuel efficient to begin with, it would take about 150,000 miles to recover my costs. On a v8, I&#8217;d recover my costs much sooner. However, I now have a better performing car that&#8217;s a more suitable tow vehicle. The way I look at it, saving fuel is just a bonus. Plus I have the satisfaction of knowing that I&#8217;m doing what I can to reduce my fuel usage (and hopefully the price of fuel) as much as possible, without it impacting my camping lifestyle.</p>
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